You just reminded me to donate 50 bucks to his campaign.

Yeah, because clearly he needs it ...

Well, you reminded me that I have to reschedule a dentist appointment.

By the logic of this post, if I argue passionately in favor of gay rights yet remain heterosexual (as I plan to), I've somehow exposed a fatal inconsistency.

When will conservatives stop employing this ridiculous and sophistic method of argument?

Nice red herring Von.

Keep pretending that this guy is in touch with normal Americans.

He used the "two Americas" line to extort sympathy and guilt from those who may have put themselves in the "better than most" category. Now the truth surfaces and still we are wrong???? Explain Von.

Could someone please explain to me what "in touch with normal Americans" means aside from the bullshit attempt to draw on the cheaply available imagery? FDR was richer than God yet far more "in touch" by my measure than any dozen politicians you can name who were born into modest circumstances.

This ratio-of-riches argument is really pathetic unless your actual goal is to bring us closer to the Idiocracy. And the point in my previous post stands, yet to be seriously addressed.

Von: Your earlier point was in fact a red herring, but if you want me to address it here goes ...

The ostentatiousness of this mansion and the Edwards' proclaimed "need" for their own basketball and raquetball courts is equal to your straight politician who supports gay rights walking around calling gay people faggots and queers.

It's classic do as I say, not as I do behavior, and the Breck Girl just killed his candidacy because of it.

"Do as I say, not as I do behavior"??!!

And exactly what would "doing as I say" look like in this case?! Ridiculous.

I can't believe we're actually having this conversation. Do I actually have to type the following: It is possible to be rich and still advocate for policies that help the poor and middle class. It's called enlightened self-interest, or civic virtue if you like... and it is not hypocritical.

Tip, and fall Layers all care about the little guy. That is why they get so much of the settlement.Do you think the tax payer footed the bill?

I agree with Professor Chaos that there's an irony in Edwards's style of living and his professed pronciples. But demogogues always need "mascots" who vote for them. Witness "moneybags" politicos like Kerry, Kennedy and Pelosi. Would Jefferson have approved of such a large number of "free" citizens dependent on government (taxpayer) largesse?

Not a bad "spread" for a hick ambulance chaser/trial lawyer who's contributed mightily to raising fees for malpractice insurance and thus fees charged patients.

I wonder if Prof von N. eschews the "chickenhawk" taunt frequently leveled at conservatives by his favourite mouthpieces in academia? Why are college profs (as a whole) politically so dog-butt stupid?

typo: read "principles"

At the risk of causing Professor Chaos to hate his comments section... and Jacques, not that I believe for a second that any of this will hit you where it should, but...

Your confused analogy regarding the "chicken hawk" label is pathetic.

Edwards argues for more attention to poverty in America and it is clear that any serious focus on that issue will require higher taxes on people like him. In other words, he advocates for policies that will adversely effect his own economic standing.

If he is serious at all about this, as president he will act as a "class traitor" much the way FDR did (and hopefully to at least that degree).

Meanwhile, a chicken hawk advocates that others go to war, demanding sacrifice in a manner that s/he is totally unwilling to share. It is the difference between George W. Bush hawkishness and that of Jim Webb (who fought in Vietnam, not Alabama, and who has a son in Iraq), or even Oliver North (who is a dick for a myriad of other reasons but is certainly no chicken hawk).

Lastly, you ask what Jefferson might think about... well, you're not too clear on that, but the implication is that he was somehow more principled than modern politicians...

Well, Jefferson died bankrupt, clearly living well beyond his means throughout his life, leaving his creditors to scramble for payment, and thereby sentencing his living assets (slaves, some of whom were relatives) to further servitude.

Nice standard.

How is it that folks who are so willing to call others "dog-butt stupid" are so much more deserving of the label themselves?

Two quick points: health care in America is more expensive because of what John Edwards personally did. Chew on that for a while.

And he tells the country that we need to bridge the gap between the two Americas and yet he chooses to isolate himself in a compound that is as ostentatious as it is unnecessary. His wealth is not the issue per se, it's how he uses it compounded by the class envy he encourages.

I say send him another $50.

Professor Chaos,

What you fail to acknowledge is that those hospitals and companies acted negligently or produced unsafe products that injured or killed people, and that a jury trial decided as much in each case.

The problem in each of those cases was not Edwards. It was medical malpractice or corporate negligence. But of course, those aren't real problems are they.

It's interesting that you have nothing negative to say about corporate defense lawyers, who win most of their cases, by the way.

Edwards is not perfect, and neither are jury trials, but in our system law suits are virtually the only way for average people to hold negligent corporations accountable.

In any case, you really should pull your head out regarding the charge that medical malpractice is the reason health care costs continue to rise exponentially. This is not the case, but go ahead and continue to repeat the Bush/Cheney campaign line as if it were true.

Prof PvN:

I regret that the more extensive ripostes I sent to this website yesterday were unfortunately deleted. Rest assured I'll gladly address the leftist points you talked in the last post you directed to me as well as your sneers at two of our presidents. Till then, sir,
yr humb serv,
Jacques Albert, PhD, life VFW member

Au contraire, Prof PvN, for Sen. Edwards may be willing to sacrifice some immediate economic gain for the eventual gains reaped by acquiring the power and prestige that attends the presidency. I readily admit too that Sen. Kennedy (whose record of personal conduct is undeniably despicable) doesn't serve for such narrow gain (see, however Peter Schweitzer's expose' of his and other lib-left politicos' hypocrisy in "Do As I Say") but for other reasons, some perhaps even admirable in themselves. Perhaps, on the other hand, Edwards may be just a misguided egalitarian (they usually are, for they not only are willing to sacrifice some of their own gains, but those of millions of others less moneyed than they). But when will lib-lefties admit that their "trickle-down" cure for social ills (i.e., redistributing wealth after a large cut first goes to bureaucrats and politicos with their snouts in the trough) hasn't and won't work, except further to create ever-greater numbers of resentful dependents who vote for their own narrow interests by supporting "class-war" demagogues?

Your whole way of thinking, Prof PvN (not necessarily contrary to that of President Jefferson, whom you disparage most unjustly) seems to be that citizens act and vote for their own narrow self-interest rather than for the good of the whole republic. Perhaps here Jefferson might agree with you in part, for I believe he questioned the ability of government functionaries (perhaps we might include teachers and college profs at taxpayer-financed public institutions here?) to excercise their right to vote in a disinterested manner.

At any rate, the canard thrown by you at President Bush as "totally unwilling" to serve in war falls flat, for if his Air National Guard unit had been called overseas, he too would have had to serve there. At least we can perhaps agree that we can and should honour all those who served, although I'd add that Sen. Kerry lost much of my respect when he unjustly made false and unprovable charges against our military (as he continues to do de temps en temps). Perhaps you, Prof PvN, like me, have served, and if so, I honour you for it, though I think you must admit that as a group, college profs and higher education establishments (like the disloyal cretins who run San Francisco) are particularly hostile to our military.

In Vietnam we soldiers knew that we might have to call down air or artillery fire on our own positions for the ultimate success of our mission. And as a scholar and former college prof I've done just that when the occasion requires it. . . .

Dr James Albert DeLater ("Jacques Albert"), life VFW member (Post 1224, Hamburg MI)

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